gripes

[kingtritan]

Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A C+ A
Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A B A

7.5 RPG should easily be worth a B grade. With the current C+ he might be able to get around 4-5.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01.html

[stephenlion]

Feb 13, 2013 23:23:10 GMT -5 turkoz said:

Kevin love B B C- C A B to B+ B+ C- C A B

Honestly kevin love is really underated he scored 26ppg that year shot 37% from the 3pt line and i think in the 11-12 season he one the 3pt contest also his FT% is 82% i think thats very good for a big man kevin love to me is one of the best 3pt shooters in the league right now and as for his inside he shot 44% i think thats pretty low but still i think he deserves to get a B+ inside to with a B B rating he wont get no where close to 26ppg

www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html

he is YOUR player now lol

[stephenlion]

Feb 13, 2013 23:34:42 GMT -5 kingtritan said:

Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A C+ A
Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A B A

7.5 RPG should easily be worth a B grade. With the current C+ he might be able to get around 4-5.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01.html

and is he a wolves now?

[kingtritan]

stephenlion, it don't matter. we could just copy and past each others things then if it really matters.

[ryu]

Feb 13, 2013 23:34:42 GMT -5 kingtritan said:

Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A C+ A
Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A B A

7.5 RPG should easily be worth a B grade. With the current C+ he might be able to get around 4-5.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01.html

Getting 7.5 rebounds for a PF is not good at all and as long as he plays PF with C+ rebounding he will get around 7.5 rebounds with B he would get 8.5 or 9

[kingtritan]

Feb 13, 2013 23:40:25 GMT -5 ryu said:

Feb 13, 2013 23:34:42 GMT -5 kingtritan said:

Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A C+ A
Serge Ibaka PF 21 6'10'' 235 C+ C- D+ A B A

7.5 RPG should easily be worth a B grade. With the current C+ he might be able to get around 4-5.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01.html

Getting 7.5 rebounds for a PF is not good at all and as long as he plays PF with C+ rebounding he will get around 7.5 rebounds with B he would get 8.5 or 9

His per 36 puts him at 10RPG which is way better. B is reasonable enough for what I am asking tbh. B+ will get him 8.5 or 9.

[Player Agent]

Love has been changed, since a good amount agreed with turk, I let it go, I was going to mention that's how you can get your own gripes done

If I can get someone other then king to agree to this, I will make it a B-, I think he will get close to that amount in rebounding

[stephenlion]

7.5rpg could get him a low b- i think to help anyone help..just boost his strength so his reb goes up

[Player Agent]

ok, I did that

[sheddy778]

Roy Hibbert

B- C- C- A- C+ B
To
B- C- C- A- B B+

One of the best defensive bigs in basketball and underrated in rebounding and potential. He was improving pretty well every season up to 2011-2012 where he had his best year as a player Averaging 10 rebounds per 36 minutes of play. not a dominant scorer but room for improvement in one of the most valuable young centers in the game.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hibbero01.html

David West

B+ C C- B- C+ C
to
B+ C C B B C

David west averages over two assists per game and is not a liablility in turn overs like a lot of Power Forwards in the game today. He also averages a steal and a block per game resulting in 3 to for 4 wins per season on his defense alone, which is deserving on a higher defensive grade. Also in his career averages around 8 rebounds per 36 minutes which should give him a slight bump in rebounding

www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html

Tyler Hansbrough

B- C D+ C+ B- B
to
B C D+ C+ B B

Underrated rebounder, uses his body extremely well and as a potential starter per 36 minutes projected average of 8.5 rebounds per game and 16.4 points. much better than just an average rebounder and scorer. consistently productive bench player who could start on bottom half of NBA teams

www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hansbty01.html

Danny Granger

Rebounding from C to C+

Rebounding over 5 rebounds from SF position every year, besides his rookie and sophomore years, deserves small bump in rebounding

www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grangda01.html

Paul George

B B C B- C A
To
B B C B+ B- A

Up and coming superstar in NBA. His Defense is completely underrated Improving very solidly in steals amount and block in his short time in NBA. Lock down defender leading one of best defensive teams in NBA even in the year before Danny Granger went down. Same argument as granger for rebounding but even better dominating the boards from SF position. from 3.7 per game in rookie season to over 5 next year and now grabbing 8!!! deserves a big bump in defense and rebounding

www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html

Lance Stephenson's

Inside scoring from C+ to B say what you want but his career field goal percentage is .437 per game, most of which is inside the arch. Also his potential should be B- Minimum being a recently high second rounder who has shown improvement over the years still extremely young getting more minutes each year

www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stephla01.html

[dhall4522]

Gripes:

Russell Westbrook
B+ C B+ B+ C B
to
A- B- B+ B+ C A

So Westbrook averaged 23 PPG that season and was a nasty jump shooter (which is considered outside.) He also shot around 65% around the rim and was beyond dominant when in close. His scoring needs to be recognized. I also know potential is just scouted but he should have great potential and should be a dominate PG over the next few years.

www.basketball-reference.com/player.../shooting/2012/

Thabo Sefalosha
C C+ C B+ C B
to
C C+ C A- C B

While Thabo isn't the shot blocking machine that Ibaka is, he has been one of the best defensive players in the league. He was amazing in defensive efficiency during the 11-12 season and became one of the best defensive wings in the NBA.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sefolth01.html
hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/13/s...efense-for-okc/

Blake Griffin
A- C- C C+ B+ A
to
A- C- C B B+ A

Griffin averaged almost 1 steal per game and almost 1 block per game in 11-12. He was very under rated and had a solid defensive efficiency. He is a very solid player on both sides of the ball and believe that he should be reflected that way.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html

Nate Robinson
C+ C+ C+ C+ C- B
to
B- B- C+ C+ C- B

Robinson has averaged 11.3 PPG for his career and this is only over 23 minutes a game. This just shows how much he needs to be upgraded. Def needs to be updated
www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinna01.html

[patsmaniabballgm]

Nicolas Batum
C+ B C- B+ C- A to C+ B+ C- A- C- A
Reasoning: Batum is probably one of the most underrated players in the NBA. This season, Nicolas Batum hit 1.8 threes per game while shooting 39 percent from 3 also he shoots 84 percent from the FT line in 2011-2012 and is very good outside shooter. He is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA and averaged 1 block and 1 steal per game.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/batumni01.html

[darin0911]

I find it interesting that pacer's complained about the thunder and thunder complained about the pacers.

[Player Agent]

Westbrook:I did a test sim on him and his scoring was lower, I raised his outside shooting to a B- and will keep his inside scoring the way it is, he will get a A- next year. Also scouted potential means nothing, he does have what would be considered superstar potential in this league.

Selflosha:I will keep the same, not many wings in this league have an A- in defense and he will still get his fair share of stops.

Griffin:B-, Griffin doesn't strike me as a great defense, but I will give him some respect

Robinson:wasn't great in OKC, so C+/C+ is fair

Batum:upgraded to B+ in outside shooting, see my reasoning for Thabo for defense.

[dhall4522]

Feb 14, 2013 18:42:43 GMT -5 darin0911 said:

I find it interesting that pacer's complained about the thunder and thunder complained about the pacers.

lol it wasnt complaining we were trying to fairly evaluate each others teams. Was there a rule against two teams doing each others? just felt like an easy way to get our gripes done with quickly as opposed to waiting and hoping someone would critique our teams. the commish has final say anyway so not sure why it matters?