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Post by sheddy778 on Mar 5, 2013 18:06:23 GMT -5
PA that was not directed at you...but purely from other people basically saying, oh this guy is gone, or this guy wont re-sign unless its for 20 million, when he doesn't even deserve 10...And I don't mean just my team either....just seems a lot of power has been shifted to the agents and I hope Stache comes down hard on you guys to try and control some of it
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Post by sheddy778 on Mar 5, 2013 18:07:43 GMT -5
Wilt you and I will never agree on that....Harden was dealt because Thunder thought they could capitalize on his ability and did not believe he was a max player, BUT they DID have the money for it...very different. NBA rules are quite different than these...Im not complaining, Im just saying I def did not realize how much power agents would have
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Post by Wilt Chamberlian on Mar 5, 2013 18:08:25 GMT -5
I do agree that the agents somewhat have too much power though as its completely unrealistic for a player to sit out games , if that happens I think the agent should lose that player's commission or something because I'm sure if a player refused to play in real life he'd lose his check
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Post by Player Agent on Mar 5, 2013 18:15:17 GMT -5
IRL agents have almost no power. They decide FA and they decide contracts, but they do not decide if player are happy. I truly cannot remember a time where a player was unhappy or a team was unhappy because they had 4-5 good players...perfect example was the Boston Celtics (Rondo, Allen, PP, Garnett)....Only reason Allen left is because of Rondo...now that is legitimate but not everyone has a problem with everyone and the fact that so many people become unhappy because they play with other good players is surprisingly and unrealistic Allen Iverson? He got traded to the Pistons, hated the team concept (and being benched) and completely screwed the team who still had championship hopes. Hell, Dwight might leave because of the crap going on in LA. If someone doesn't like something, they will say something about it. The players didn't see what direction the team was going, so they wanted out. As Wilt said, this situation probably won't happen again, I think people will be more careful about stacking a bunch of players who are with 1 agency, not only did I have 4 clients there in Minnesota, but all 4 were capable of averaging 20 a game, and only 1 player was doing it. I mean, am I suppose to just blow that off and let them stay there for 2-3 years before doing something about it? Maybe if their contending, but they weren't. |
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Post by Player Agent on Mar 5, 2013 18:17:34 GMT -5
I do agree that the agents somewhat have too much power though as its completely unrealistic for a player to sit out games , if that happens I think the agent should lose that player's commission or something because I'm sure if a player refused to play in real life he'd lose his check after this, I might change somethings up a little, probably make it harder to sit a player. But at the same time, GM's have to feel the pressure, if we're given too little power then it's harder to be taken seriously when a player doesn't like his current situation. |
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Post by sheddy778 on Mar 5, 2013 18:21:20 GMT -5
Ray Allen lol...not Allen Iverson. And no I do understand that, but it just seems to be that if you have a few solid players on a team, the agents are out to get you for one reason or another. I just wanna make sure that they cannot dictate GM's making trades and having a good team
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Post by Coach D on Mar 5, 2013 18:24:54 GMT -5
That is ultimately why I didn't sit Dwight. Team is still in run for title and didn't want to mess that up. Wouldn't be right to league or GM. Now if you're 20-40, I might sit a player.
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Post by Player Agent on Mar 5, 2013 18:32:17 GMT -5
I brought up the AI example as a counter argument
I personally am not out to get any GM, but I'm going to say something if I feel like my said player isn't being treated the way they should be (Kemba Walker is a good example of that) that and lack of wins is what I complain about, Wolves crossed both lines.
And agents are suppose to stop superteams from happening somewhat (although, they will still happen) if a player isn't playing up to their potential, then the agent is there to say something about it, that's probably the thing I like most about agents and I can't go around and tell them to stop doing that because then what's the point of really having agents?
You can still build a good team in this league and make agents happy, I haven't seen any complaints about the Grizzlies,Bucks (besides Ersan, but that's because he's expiring), Heat, Pacers, Celtics,Spurs etc etc. You can still build a good team in this league and make everyone happy. You just have to find a way to keep everyone happy at the same time, it's a balance that needs to be met.
Even with some unhappy players, your still a contending team.
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Post by Player Agent on Mar 5, 2013 18:35:46 GMT -5
That is ultimately why I didn't sit Dwight. Team is still in run for title and didn't want to mess that up. Wouldn't be right to league or GM. Now if you're 20-40, I might sit a player. believe me, I thought this was going to happen when it started to become reality, but I'm playing the game just like I would want any of the 7 to play the game. I think most of you would do the same thing I did, maybe not as fast as how I did it, but I can't see any agent being satisfied with 4 of the same clients on 1 team that's not contending. |
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Post by stephenlion on Mar 5, 2013 18:35:46 GMT -5
That is ultimately why I didn't sit Dwight. Team is still in run for title and didn't want to mess that up. Wouldn't be right to league or GM. Now if you're 20-40, I might sit a player. LOL |
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Post by turkoz on Mar 5, 2013 18:54:23 GMT -5
Im agreeing with Sheddy and Stephenlion agents have to much control example i got fuked over with the chris paul thing
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Post by Player Agent on Mar 5, 2013 19:01:51 GMT -5
Im agreeing with Sheddy and Stephenlion agents have to much control example i got fuked over with the chris paul thing I'm 50/50 on that whole situation, pats was a factor in that, I also think that was a little bit of an overreaction on your part because CP3 would have to go through alot to demand a trade |
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Post by turkoz on Mar 5, 2013 19:04:24 GMT -5
Im agreeing with Sheddy and Stephenlion agents have to much control example i got fuked over with the chris paul thing I'm 50/50 on that whole situation, pats was a factor in that, I also think that was a little bit of an overreaction on your part because CP3 would have to go through alot to demand a trade yehh i probably did but still pats wuda fuked me over and i didnt wanna take any chances |
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Post by patsmaniabballgm on Mar 5, 2013 19:41:50 GMT -5
Im agreeing with Sheddy and Stephenlion agents have to much control example i got fuked over with the chris paul thing I'm 50/50 on that whole situation, pats was a factor in that, I also think that was a little bit of an overreaction on your part because CP3 would have to go through alot to demand a trade I didn't even officially demand a trade lmao. All I said was CP3 MIGHT NOT resign with the Clippers, especially after they destroyed the whole team, making it worse, and most likely killed all team chemistry. Doesn't mean CP3 didn't like it in LAC. It was just for his best interests to go to a more sustainable team if the Clippers were not able to do that. CP3 wasn't to wait the season out and test the free agency market. That's all I said. It was more an overreaction on your part Turk. |
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Post by stache on Mar 5, 2013 22:26:02 GMT -5
Im starting to feel the same as above ^^^ I am quite frustrated by the fact that I am getting pressure all around to destroy and rip apart my team. I feel for the Wolves and believe that in their same position I would have been quite frustrated as well. I believe that Agents have too much power in this league and Stache needs to come down harsh on some (NOT ALL) of the agents for me to come down on agents i need proof of what they are doing wrong, if people want me to come down on them GIVE ME PROOF! tell me what's going on in pms, the agents sure aren't going to tell me if they are being fuckers to everyone else, and if i have some sort of proof i will take some kind of action for it. my pm system is always open |
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